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It seems to me that Boris is putting the concept of "managed development"
on the table for discussion. He is suggesting that we need to distinguish it
with the concept of "totalitarian ideology." Another dimension here is the
pressure excreted by the private sector for "development," as in oil
exploration in Alaska, just to give one example that is a point of
contention in the US right now, and the will (or there-lack-of) of the
government to negotiate its necessity and its extent.
Traditional development after the end of WW II meant provision of goods
and services to as many people as possible. Development was idealized as
good social policy until the environmental crisis of the 1970's emerged.
Would it be fair to say that the current "crisis" of the field of
development is that it needs a new definition in light of the current
awareness about the environment?
Also, "development" in the third world meant accepting and acting upon a
rational model imported from the then Soviet Union, or from the West. Again,
in the 70's rational models were questioned by "developing countries," in a
search for defining their self-identity and distinguishing their cultural
identity from imported culture. The cry as I remember it, several years ago,
was neither East, nor West.
So, as a lay person in your field, my questions is how do we define
"development" today in light of epochal historic events of the last 30
years?
Thanks
Fred Saba, Ph. D.
CEO, Distance-Educator.com
Dear George!
I agree with you. There is an urgent necessity to discuss the global
development issues. Even if somebody wants to keep his eyes closed,
concentrating on his internal digestion, it does not mean that development
does not exist at all. And acceleration of the development towards the
global ecological catastrophe is frightening.
A managed development seems for somebody to remind a totalitarian
ideology. But those who can think can not help noticing an inevitable
development challenge that requires urgent and powerful preventive measures
just not to repeat the Rome Empire crash and not to fall into a cultural
decay for another thousand years of Gloomy Middle Ages.
An avalanche of ‘Unsubscribe’ messages gives a lot of information about
contemporary social psychology, and it is one of scientific results of the
started discussion. A shared by a group of thinking people vision of the
global development perspectives and the civilised ways to influence on it
may appear only after a similar discussion.
I wish you success and good luck,
Professor Boris Sedunov,
Moscow institute of business admunustration
mailto:sedunov@access.orgland.ru
www.eni.edu/page98.html www.eni.edu/page6.html
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From: George Vigileos
To: mailto:INTDEV-L@pete.uri.edu
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
I think that contending ideologies are very much alive. They have
shifted to the area of interaction between social, economic, and
environmental issues. Although the market system is becoming prevalent in
the world today, there are significant differences in the way various
countries are approaching these issues. A good example is the difference
between the USA and Europe on Kyoto.
Issues such as equity and fairness have migrated from income concerns to
a much wider arena, that of the physical environment - the management of
resources. Shifts in the valuation of the environment in industrialised
countries are having an effect on how developing countries plan to use their
natural resources, opening development paths which could be more equitable
in socio-economic and environmental ways (eco-tourism, fair trade etc.).
In a more global economy, development decisions are interlinked, and
this time it will take a change in ideology and lifestyles in the North and
the South to reach a liveable future for all...Global warming sets the pace,
as there is no longer any time for 'us and them'.
George Vigileos
Countryside & Community Research Unit
Cheltenham & Gloucester College of Higher Education
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Man did not weave the web of life - he is merely a strand in it.
Whatever he does to the web, he does to himself.
Chief Seattle, 1854.
----- Original Message -----
From: Farhad Saba, Ph. D.
To: mailto:INTDEV-L@PETE.URI.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: unsubscribe
The question of "development" was interesting when there were two
contending ideologies in the world: Market capitalism, and centralized
communism. With the seeming demise of communism, what are the issues to be
discussed? The debate, even in China, is to what extent accept the rule of
the market. Cuba is the only believer left. Could anyone shed some light on
the issues of development today?
Fred Saba, Ph. D.
CEO, Distance-Educator.com
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Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 9:21 PM
To: mailto:INTDEV-L@pete.uri.edu
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Hand raised -- waving wildly for attention -- Me too, Me too!!
Please unsubscribe me. I think the original idea behind this list
was
commendable, but a list is only as valuable as the subscribers make
it. No
one seems to be interested in using this list to discuss
development. The
vast majority of messages pleading to unsubscribe are distributed
to
everyone. So, I guess I will add my request to those.
However, I do wish to commend the list originator for a valiant
effort to
help "develop development". Thank you.
Penny Goforth
Senior Associate
Grant Writing Specialists
La Mesa, CA 91941-6046
mailto:GrantWrtr@aol.com
phone: (619) 460-2738
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then Soviet Union, or from the West. Again, in the 70's rational =
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color=3D#0000ff size=3D3><SPAN class=3D400111811-12042001>So, as a lay =
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your field, my questions is how do we define "development" today in =
light of=20
epochal historic events of the last 30 years?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear George!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial>
<P>I agree with you. There is an urgent necessity to discuss the =
global=20
development issues. Even if somebody wants to keep his eyes closed,=20
concentrating on his internal digestion, it does not mean that =
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does not exist at all. And acceleration of the development towards the =
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<P>A managed development seems for somebody to remind a totalitarian =
ideology.=20
But those who can think can not help noticing an inevitable =
development=20
challenge that requires urgent and powerful preventive measures just =
not to=20
repeat the Rome Empire crash and not to fall into a cultural decay for =
another=20
thousand years of Gloomy Middle Ages. </FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>An avalanche of =91Unsubscribe=92 =
messages gives a lot=20
of information about contemporary social psychology, and it is one of=20
scientific results of the started discussion. A shared by a group of =
thinking=20
people vision of the global development perspectives and the civilised =
ways to=20
influence on it may appear only after a similar discussion.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wish you success and good =
luck,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Professor Boris Sedunov,</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Moscow institute of business=20
admunustration</FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:mailto:sedunov@access.orgland.ru">sedunov@access.orgland.ru</A></=
FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.eni.edu/page98.html">www.eni.edu/page98.html</A> =
=20
<A=20
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2001 4:06=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: =
unsubscribe</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think that contending ideologies =
are very=20
much alive. They have shifted to the area of interaction =
between=20
social, economic, and environmental issues. Although the market =
system is=20
becoming prevalent in the world today, there are significant =
differences in=20
the way various countries are approaching these issues. A good =
example is=20
the difference between the USA and Europe on Kyoto. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Issues such as equity and =
fairness have=20
migrated from income concerns to a much wider arena, that of the =
physical=20
environment - the management of resources. Shifts in the valuation =
of the=20
environment in industrialised countries are having an effect on how=20
developing countries plan to use their natural resources, opening=20
development paths which could be more equitable in socio-economic =
and=20
environmental ways (eco-tourism, fair trade etc.).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In a more global economy, =
development decisions=20
are interlinked, and this time it will take a change in ideology and =
lifestyles in the North and the South to reach a liveable future for =
all...Global warming sets the pace, as there is no longer any time =
for 'us=20
and them'. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>George Vigileos<BR>Countryside =
& Community=20
Research Unit<BR>Cheltenham & Gloucester College of Higher=20
Education<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<BR>Man did not =
weave the=20
web of life - he is merely a strand in it. <BR>Whatever he does to =
the web,=20
he does to himself.<BR>Chief Seattle, 1854.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<A title=mailto:3Dsaba@CTS.COM href=3D"mailto:saba@CTS.COM">Farhad Saba, =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D490253205-11042001><FONT color=3D#0000ff>The =
question of=20
"development" was interesting when there were two contending =
ideologies in=20
the world: Market capitalism, and centralized communism. With the =
seeming=20
demise of communism, what are the issues to be discussed? The =
debate, even=20
in China, is to what extent accept the rule of the market. Cuba is =
the=20
only believer left. Could anyone shed some light on the issues of=20
development today?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D490253205-11042001><FONT=20
color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D490253205-11042001>
<P><FONT size=3D2> Fred Saba, Ph. D.<BR>CEO,=20
Distance-Educator.com</FONT> </P></SPAN></DIV>
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attention -- Me too, Me too!! <BR><BR>Please unsubscribe me. =
I=20
think the original idea behind this list was <BR>commendable, =
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is only as valuable as the subscribers make it. No <BR>one =
seems=20
to be interested in using this list to discuss development. =
The=20
<BR>vast majority of messages pleading to unsubscribe are=20
distributed to <BR>everyone. So, I guess I will add my =
request to=20
those. <BR><BR>However, I do wish to commend the =
list=20
originator for a valiant effort to <BR>help "develop =
development".=20
Thank you. <BR><BR></FONT><FONT lang=3D0 face=3D"Comic =
Sans MS"=20
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<BR>Senior Associate=20
<BR>Grant Writing Specialists <BR>La Mesa, CA 91941-6046=20
<BR>mailto:GrantWrtr@aol.com <BR>phone: (619) 460-2738 <BR>fax:=20
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