Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced Countries
Turlough Guerin (mailto:turlough@EVCOM.NET)
Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:36 -0400
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:39:36 -0400
From: Turlough Guerin <mailto:turlough@EVCOM.NET>
Subject: Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced Countries
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These comments provide an interesting perspective.
Additional documentation could be helpful as long a you don't overload =
recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is =
complex.
Going for more senior people in the org. is a good one. From my =
experience, the issue usually ends up with the person you aimed the =
technology at. But I agree with your approach.
Filling the authorities in on what you are doing, I would have to say is =
a no no, particularly with the mining companies I have advised to. This =
would be a severe career limiting move! But again, I think the essence =
is sensible. Why not show the recipient of the technology that the =
impact that will be addressed is in breach of xyz legislation? Chances =
are that the recipient will be asking for advice because they have a =
legal problem to start with.
I think that understanding the environmental management framework (or =
dare I say system) of your target organisation will help as well. =
Anything that you advise on should be consistent with this framework =
otherwise it may be difficult to get the information/technology across.
Turlough F. Guerin
BOCA RATON, FL.
-----Original Message-----
From: Douglas M. Hinds <mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net>
To: Turlough Guerin <mailto:turlough@EVCOM.NET>
Cc: mailto:DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU <DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced Countries
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Hello Group:=20
This is another first post and my first comment is an intra-group =
technical one: I frequently answer posts by inserting relies to =
specific statements with the body of the original text, which then =
separates - that is, is interrupted, before and after the inserted =
comment. For some reason I was not able to do this here, and therefore =
must copy the statement to which I'm replying, above or below the =
original text body (I have not observed this effect anywhere else, =
previously).=20
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> I am interested in the problems associated with getting new =
environmental technologies > ...implemented into agricultural and =
mining operations, particularly in "developed > countries". > Are =
these topics of relevance to this group?=20
=20
To me they are. but as suggested above, I too have only recently =
joint this list.=20
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> If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this topic?=20
=20
1).- That is a timely question for me, as I've been reviewing =
website development applications. Therefore, I'm going to promise to =
get a CeDeCoR website running as soon as possible and (sooner),=20
=20
2).- Post a list of appropriate URL's from the extensive bookmarks =
I've accumulated.=20
=20
> ...when advising mining site environmental professionals about a =
problem ... an=20
> environmental impact ... they are ...causing, much of the time =
they would implement your=20
> technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them .... At other =
times you can provide advice=20
> which only costs them their time, and they still won't adopt the =
technology. Any=20
> thoughts? =20
=20
Sounds like an unfortunate lack of receptivity on the part of a =
given individual. Depending on the circumstances, you could:=20
=20
a).- Provide additional documentation to the person;=20
=20
b).- Direct your proposal to a higher ranking authority with the =
same organization (perhaps after having the the above): or=20
=20
c).- Determine the legislative context and direct your proposal to =
the appropriate public authorities; and=20
=20
d).- Before doing the above it may be wise to submit informative =
data to the press (be concise) and make yourself available for an =
interview (be well prepared in both cases and constructive rather than =
critical at this point - particularly if no laws are being broken). Be =
sure and bring any articles published with you, when contacting the =
appropriate public authorities mentioned above.=20
=20
Douglas M. Hinds=20
Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR)=20
(Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit)=20
Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO=20
e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@ucol.mx,=20
mailto:cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx=20
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Turlough Guerin wrote:=20
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Dear Group, I have just connected to your discussion and by way of =
introduction I am interested in the problems associated with getting new =
environmental technologies (either technologies per se or appropriate =
advice) implemented into agricultural and mining operations, =
particularly in "developed countries". Are these topics of relevance =
to this group?=20
If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this topic? I =
would be interested to get other peoples opinions on the following =
observation : when advising mining site environmental professionals =
about a problem (i.e. an environmental impact) they are having/causing, =
much of the time they would implement your technology/advice as long as =
it didn't cost them much (or better still nothing). At other times you =
can provide advice which only costs them their time, and they still =
won't adopt the technology. Any thoughts? I am looking forward to =
discussions with the group in the future. Turlough F. GuerinBOCA RATON, =
FL
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These comments provide an interesting=20
perspective.
Additional documentation could be helpful as long a you don't =
overload=20
recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is=20
complex.
Going for more senior people in the org. is a good one. From my =
experience,=20
the issue usually ends up with the person you aimed the technology at. =
But I=20
agree with your approach.
Filling the authorities in on what you are doing, I would have to =
say is a=20
no no, particularly with the mining companies I have advised to. =
This=20
would be a severe career limiting move! But again, I think the essence =
is=20
sensible. Why not show the recipient of the technology that the =
impact=20
that will be addressed is in breach of xyz legislation? Chances =
are that=20
the recipient will be asking for advice because they have a legal =
problem to=20
start with.
I think that understanding the environmental management framework =
(or dare=20
I say system) of your target organisation will help as well. =
Anything that=20
you advise on should be consistent with this framework otherwise it may =
be=20
difficult to get the information/technology across.
Turlough F. Guerin
BOCA RATON, FL.
-----Original =
Message-----
From:=20
Douglas M. Hinds <dmhinds@acnet.net>
To:=20
Turlough Guerin <turlough@EVCOM.NET>
Cc: =
DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU <DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
D=
ate:=20
Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: =
Getting Env.=20
Innovations Adopted in Advanced Countries
Hello =
Group:=20
This is another first post and my first comment is an intra-group =
technical one: I frequently answer posts by inserting relies =
to=20
specific statements with the body of the original text, which then =
separates=20
- that is, is interrupted, before and after the inserted =
comment. For=20
some reason I was not able to do this here, and therefore must copy =
the=20
statement to which I'm replying, above or below the original text =
body (I=20
have not observed this effect anywhere else, previously).=20
> I am interested in the =
problems=20
associated with getting new environmental technologies =
>=20
...implemented into agricultural and mining operations, particularly =
in=20
"developed > countries". =
> Are these topics of relevance =
to this=20
group?=20
To me they are. but as suggested above, I too have only recently =
joint=20
this list.=20
> If so, does anyone =
have any useful=20
websites on this topic?=20
1).- That is a timely =
question for me,=20
as I've been reviewing website development applications. =
Therefore,=20
I'm going to promise to get a CeDeCoR website running as soon as =
possible=20
and (sooner),=20
2).- Post a list of =
appropriate URL's=20
from the extensive bookmarks I've accumulated.=20
> ...when advising =
mining site=20
environmental professionals about a problem ... an =
> environmental impact ... they =
are=20
...causing, much of the time they would implement your =
> technology/advice as =
long as it=20
didn't cost them .... At other times you can provide=20
advice
> =
which only=20
costs them their time, and they still won't adopt the =
technology. =20
Any
>=20
thoughts? =20
Sounds like an unfortunate lack of receptivity on the part of a =
given=20
individual. Depending on the circumstances, you could:=20
a).- Provide additional documentation to the person;=20
b).- Direct your proposal to a higher ranking authority with the =
same=20
organization (perhaps after having the the above): or=20
c).- Determine the legislative context and direct your proposal =
to the=20
appropriate public authorities; and=20
d).- Before doing the above it may be wise to submit informative =
data to=20
the press (be concise) and make yourself available for an interview =
(be well=20
prepared in both cases and constructive rather than critical at this =
point -=20
particularly if no laws are being broken). Be sure and bring =
any=20
articles published with you, when contacting the appropriate public=20
authorities mentioned above.=20
Douglas M. Hinds
Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y =
Rural A.C.=20
(CeDeCoR)
(Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non =
profit)=20
Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO
e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net,=20
mailto:dhinds@ucol.mx,
cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx=20
-----------------=20
Turlough Guerin wrote:=20
Dear=20
Group, I =
have just=20
connected to your discussion and by way of introduction I am =
interested=20
in the problems associated with getting new environmental =
technologies=20
(either technologies per se or appropriate advice) =
implemented=20
into agricultural and mining operations, particularly in =
"developed=20
countries". Are these topics of relevance to this =
group?=20
If so, does anyone have =
any useful=20
websites on this topic? I would be interested to get other =
peoples=20
opinions on the following observation : when advising =
mining site=20
environmental professionals about a problem (i.e. an =
environmental=20
impact) they are having/causing, much of the time they would =
implement=20
your technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them much (or =
better=20
still nothing). At other times you can provide advice =
which only=20
costs them their time, and they still won't adopt the =
technology. =20
Any thoughts? I am=20
looking forward to discussions with the group in the=20
future. Turlough F. =
GuerinBOCA RATON,=20
FL
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