Message-ID: <35E49A4C.AD0D6AE8@acnet.net> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:29:18 -0600 From: "Douglas M. Hinds" <mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net> Subject: Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced Countries To: mailto:DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU
--------------844EFBE27CA18E8CC418AFE4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bitI am still having to copy your statements to the top and put the >>> in by hand, in order to intersperce my comments with yours, point by point.
I know of no other list that requires this. The question is, can it be corrected?
Turlough Guerin wrote:
> Additional documentation could be helpful as long a you don't overload
> recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is
complex.What you want is the respect of the recipient for you and your proposal. You also want his/her attention directed to it. You need that in order for your proposal to be taken seriously. Being selective will help establish the credibility you need. > Filling the authorities in on what you are doing, I would have to say
is a no no, > particularly with the mining companies I have advised to. This would
be a >severe career limiting move! But again, I think the essence is
sensible. Why not > show the recipient of the technology that the impact that will be
addressed is in > breach of xyz legislation? Chances are that the recipient will be
asking for > advice because they have a legal problem to start with.
Good point. It wasn't clear to me if you were referring to people with you will (or want to be) working, or people with whom you simply to have to deal with - to go through, in order to accomplish a given end (i.e. something in the public interest). To convince (on the one hand), or oblige. (on the other). Depends on your goals and your strategy (i.e., you may want to leave the leverage for last, or not consider it at all).Douglas Hinds CeDeCoR, A.C. Mexico> These comments provide an interesting perspective. Additional
> documentation could be helpful as long a you don't overload
> recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is
> complex. Going for more senior people in the org. is a good one. From
> my experience, the issue usually ends up with the person you aimed the
> technology at. But I agree with your approach. Filling the authorities
> in on what you are doing, I would have to say is a no no, particularly
> with the mining companies I have advised to. This would be a severe
> career limiting move! But again, I think the essence is sensible. Why
> not show the recipient of the technology that the impact that will be
> addressed is in breach of xyz legislation? Chances are that the
> recipient will be asking for advice because they have a legal problem
> to start with. I think that understanding the environmental management
> framework (or dare I say system) of your target organisation will help
> as well. Anything that you advise on should be consistent with this
> framework otherwise it may be difficult to get the
> information/technology across. Turlough F. GuerinBOCA RATON, FL.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Douglas M. Hinds <mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net>
> To: Turlough Guerin <mailto:turlough@EVCOM.NET>
> Cc: mailto:DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU <DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
> Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced
> CountriesHello Group:
>
> This is another first post and my first comment is an
> intra-group technical one: I frequently answer posts by
> inserting relies to specific statements with the body of the
> original text, which then separates - that is, is
> interrupted, before and after the inserted comment. For
> some reason I was not able to do this here, and therefore
> must copy the statement to which I'm replying, above or
> below the original text body (I have not observed this
> effect anywhere else, previously).
>
> > I am interested in the problems associated with getting
> new environmental technologies > ...implemented into
> agricultural and mining operations, particularly in
> "developed > countries". > Are these topics of relevance
> to this group?
>
> To me they are. but as suggested above, I too have only
> recently joint this list.
>
> > If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this topic?
>
> 1).- That is a timely question for me, as I've been
> reviewing website development applications. Therefore, I'm
> going to promise to get a CeDeCoR website running as soon as
> possible and (sooner),
>
> 2).- Post a list of appropriate URL's from the extensive
> bookmarks I've accumulated.
>
> > ...when advising mining site environmental professionals
> about a problem ... an
> > environmental impact ... they are ...causing, much of the
> time they would implement your
> > technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them .... At
> other times you can provide advice
> > which only costs them their time, and they still won't
> adopt the technology. Any
> > thoughts?
>
> Sounds like an unfortunate lack of receptivity on the part
> of a given individual. Depending on the circumstances, you
> could:
>
> a).- Provide additional documentation to the person;
>
> b).- Direct your proposal to a higher ranking authority with
> the same organization (perhaps after having the the above):
> or
>
> c).- Determine the legislative context and direct your
> proposal to the appropriate public authorities; and
>
> d).- Before doing the above it may be wise to submit
> informative data to the press (be concise) and make yourself
> available for an interview (be well prepared in both cases
> and constructive rather than critical at this point -
> particularly if no laws are being broken). Be sure and
> bring any articles published with you, when contacting the
> appropriate public authorities mentioned above.
>
> Douglas M. Hinds
> Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR)
>
> (Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit)
> Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO
> e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@ucol.mx,
> mailto:cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx
>
> -----------------
>
> Turlough Guerin wrote:
>
> > Dear Group, I have just connected to your discussion and
> > by way of introduction I am interested in the problems
> > associated with getting new environmental technologies
> > (either technologies per se or appropriate advice)
> > implemented into agricultural and mining operations,
> > particularly in "developed countries". Are these topics
> > of relevance to this group?
> >
> > If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this
> > topic? I would be interested to get other peoples
> > opinions on the following observation : when advising
> > mining site environmental professionals about a problem
> > (i.e. an environmental impact) they are having/causing,
> > much of the time they would implement your
> > technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them much (or
> > better still nothing). At other times you can provide
> > advice which only costs them their time, and they still
> > won't adopt the technology. Any thoughts? I am looking
> > forward to discussions with the group in the future.
> > Turlough F. GuerinBOCA RATON, FL
>
--Douglas M. Hinds Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR) (Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit) Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@ucol.mx, mailto:cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx
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I am still having to copy your statements to the top and put the >>> in by hand, in order to intersperce my comments with yours, point by point.
I know of no other list that requires this. The question is, can it be corrected?
Turlough Guerin wrote:
> Additional documentation could be helpful as long a you don't overload
> recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is complex.What you want is the respect of the recipient for you and your proposal. You also want his/her attention directed to it. You need that in order for your proposal to be taken seriously. Being selective will help establish the credibility you need.
> Filling the authorities in on what you are doing, I would have to say is a no no,
> particularly with the mining companies I have advised to. This would be a
>severe career limiting move! But again, I think the essence is sensible. Why not
> show the recipient of the technology that the impact that will be addressed is in
> breach of xyz legislation? Chances are that the recipient will be asking for
> advice because they have a legal problem to start with.
Good point. It wasn't clear to me if you were referring to people with you will (or want to be) working, or people with whom you simply to have to deal with - to go through, in order to accomplish a given end (i.e. something in the public interest). To convince (on the one hand), or oblige. (on the other). Depends on your goals and your strategy (i.e., you may want to leave the leverage for last, or not consider it at all).Douglas Hinds
CeDeCoR, A.C.
MexicoThese comments provide an interesting perspective. Additional documentation could be helpful as long a you don't overload recipient. It must be clearly written part. if the innovation is complex. Going for more senior people in the org. is a good one. From my experience, the issue usually ends up with the person you aimed the technology at. But I agree with your approach. Filling the authorities in on what you are doing, I would have to say is a no no, particularly with the mining companies I have advised to. This would be a severe career limiting move! But again, I think the essence is sensible. Why not show the recipient of the technology that the impact that will be addressed is in breach of xyz legislation? Chances are that the recipient will be asking for advice because they have a legal problem to start with. I think that understanding the environmental management framework (or dare I say system) of your target organisation will help as well. Anything that you advise on should be consistent with this framework otherwise it may be difficult to get the information/technology across. Turlough F. GuerinBOCA RATON, FL.-------Ori inal Message-----
From: Douglas M. Hinds <dmhinds@acnet. et>
To: Turlough Guerin <turlough@EVCOM.N T>
Cc: DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU <DEVEL-L@AMERICAN.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: Getting Env. Innovations Adopted in Advanced CountriesHello Group:This is another first post and my first comment is an intra-group technical one: I frequently answer posts by inserting relies to specific statements with the body of the original text, which then separates - that is, is interrupted, before and after the inserted comment. For some reason I was not able to do this here, and therefore must copy the statement to which I'm replying, above or below the original text body (I have not observed this effect anywhere else, previously).
> I am interested in the problems associated with getting new environmental technologies > ...implemented into agricultural and mining operations, particularly in "developed > countries". > Are these topics of relevance to this group?
To me they are. but as suggested above, I too have only recently joint this list.
> If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this topic?
1).- That is a timely question for me, as I've been reviewing website development applications. Therefore, I'm going to promise to get a CeDeCoR website running as soon as possible and (sooner),
2).- Post a list of appropriate URL's from the extensive bookmarks I've accumulated.
> ...when advising mining site environmental professionals about a problem ... an
> environmental impact ... they are ...causing, much of the time they would implement your
> technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them .... At other times you can provide advice
> which only costs them their time, and they still won't adopt the technology. Any
> thoughts?Sounds like an unfortunate lack of receptivity on the part of a given individual. Depending on the circumstances, you could:
a).- Provide additional documentation to the person;
b).- Direct your proposal to a higher ranking authority with the same organization (perhaps after having the the above): or
c).- Determine the legislative context and direct your proposal to the appropriate public authorities; and
d).- Before doing the above it may be wise to submit informative data to the press (be concise) and make yourself available for an interview (be well prepared in both cases and constructive rather than critical at this point - particularly if no laws are being broken). Be sure and bring any articles published with you, when contacting the appropriate public authorities mentioned above.
Douglas M. Hinds
Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR)
(Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit)
Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO
e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@ucol.mx,
mailto:cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx-----------------
Turlough Guerin wrote:
Dear Group, I have just connected to your discussion and by way of introduction I am interested in the problems associated with getting new environmental technologies (either technologies per se or appropriate advice) implemented into agricultural and mining operations, particularly in "developed countries". Are these topics of relevance to this group?If so, does anyone have any useful websites on this topic? I would be interested to get other peoples opinions on the following observation : when advising mining site environmental professionals about a problem (i.e. an environmental impact) they are having/causing, much of the time they would implement your technology/advice as long as it didn't cost them much (or better still nothing). At other times you can provide advice which only costs them their time, and they still won't adopt the technology. Any thoughts? I am looking forward to discussions with the group in the future. Turlough F. GuerinBOCA RATON, FL
Douglas M. Hinds
Centro para el Desarrollo Comunitario y Rural A.C. (CeDeCoR)
(Center for Community and Rural Development) - (non profit)
Cd. Guzman, Jalisco 49000 MEXICO
e-mail: mailto:dmhinds@acnet.net, dhinds@ucol.mx,
mailto:cedecor@acnet.net, cedecor@ipnet.com.mx
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