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The Nepal Digest Wed Sept 2, 1998: Bhadra 8 2055BS: Year7 Volume78 Issue1
Today's Topics (partial list):
Enough, TND!
Lets move on
EDITORIAL POLICY-suggestion
RE: Mediation and The Free Press
Start new TND
Letter to TND editor
Shame on all of us
Sediment data
The (seemingly) endless debate
Re: Book review (fwd)
Charities for Nepal
Some more economics
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From: Greta Rana <greta@icimod.org.np)
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:11:52 +0000
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - August 18, 1998 (23 Shrawan 2055 BkSm)
Dear Editor,
Does Nepal Digest have a set of objectives in
the context of information, standard of articles etc? if so , would
you you circulate them. I think there's a lot of 'received opinion'
rather than basic ligic floating around. Discussions become insular
when that happens. I don't see what time spent in Nepal has to do
with credibility of statement. Time serving is not an indication of
'insight' and intelligence , but rather durability. Were it so, after
28 years,I'd be an 'expert' by now.
Greta Rana
Senior Editor
email: greta@icimod.org.np (off.)
grana@saligram.mos.com.np (res.)
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From: "Pawan Shakya" <pawansh@hotmail.com>
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Enough, TND
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:16:45 PDT
Dear TND,
May I have the opportunity to make few comments on the recent issues
that it is really a senseless and useless discussion being held between
the two persons for long back on the issue of national interest between
Nepal and India. This certainly reflects that the TND is not having any
other chapters on the matter of general interest to the common readers.
I think that the TND should give importance to the general readers first
and consider if the discussed matters will be of their interest, not to
the interest of few persons. If the TND continues delivering such
matters which are totally out of interest , the days are not so far that
people will loss their belief and interest on it so that instead of
subscribing their names, they will start deleting their names from the
subscribed lists. May I, therefore, draw the attention of the concerned
editors for taking this matter into consideration and keep delivering
the matters of common interest only so as to keep the TND long run.
Sincerely,
Pawan Raj Shakya
Ben-Gurion University
Israel.
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:08:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pramod K. Mishra" <pkm@acpub.duke.edu>
To: The Nepal digest Editor <nepal-request@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Call for Participation
Dear Editor and TND readers,
Have you seen how much energy Nepali
nationalism has generated in the recent issues of TND and SCN? It's
amazing how nationalism could still possess such force in people's lives
in the age of globalization! Or, is it that because of this new
phenomenon of globalization nationalism has become a new form of anchoring
one's identity on cyberspace, as has been said? Nepal's case may be
complicated in yet other ways.
In any case, a look at some of the postings on both TND and SCN
made me think that many of the participants were either too inadequately
informed or unable to sort out issues or too choked with emotion to
articulate their views without taking resort to expletives and slurs,
name- calling, and sloganeering. And I'm referring not only to anonymous
postings but also to responsible ones, the office bearers of parties.
And a sampling of the identities of the interlocutors would easily
reveal that among the ranks are at least the sons--yes, the sons--of
well-to-do Nepalis. They have had a relatively privileged background:
they have been able to come overseas to pursue education after adequate
schooling; they are able to communicate in English. Many of these folks
will return to Nepal and help shape or disfigure Nepal's future. Or, even
if they choose to remain overseas, they would, in myriad ways, mightily
shape public opinion about these vital issues.
Perhaps I have sounded condescending above. Not so. The spectrum
of opinions and ideas that have been voiced recently about Nepali
nationalism on TND haven't come out out of nowhere--they represent the
spectrum of views and stands on the ground in Nepal, from the illitirate
farmer in the villages of the hills and the plains to the educated elites
in Kathmandu. And these are the opinions, and not the unread academic
books, that would shape the course of events in Nepal. And I know the
existence much hatred, vile emotions, on all sides, as I also know the
flicker of goodwill existing on all sides.
The question is, Can democracy and nationalism co-exist in Nepal?
Are concern for sovereignty compatible with desire for prosperity? Of
course, I do not presume an easy answer either in the positive or
negative; nor should any thinking person. And that's why, the
conversation needs to be continued and elevated from the level of choking
emotion and expletive and hate speech and reverse racism and myopic vision
to that of informed and impassioned conversation without being negatively
academic.
Of course, I'd be vain if I thought that only such a conversation
would shape the future of Nepal or any territorial entity for that matter;
that are realities and vested interests on the ground that always militate
against any rational conversation and judgement. But the continued and
critical conversation do shape and help shape public opinion and affect
the course of history.
Very often I have seen quite responsible participants resorting to
name-calling instead of converting the easy epithets into sound argument.
To my mind, expletives and slurs and name- calling are charged with
emotion and energy. They are the result of either lack of training in
articulation and argumentation or lack of opportunity. In the case of
Nepal, I'd say that it's the latter--lack of freedom of expression. But
they can also come from vested interests that feel threaten by the new
changes in the historical configuration. The only way to either
transform the thinking or defeat their designs is not to resort to such
dumb-head talk nor to ignore but to engage them with cold reason and
cutting and passionate argument.
At the end of the day, even responsible people everywhere are free,
have been, and will be free to act--shed blood or resolve through
conversation and politics--but they have to be at the end of informed
conversation and debate. If such blood-letting occurs before informed
conversation and exchange of ideas, then the fault goes to the
intellectuals of the society, and those who make a career out of studying
that society, for failing to have done their job properly.
Therefore, I ask the readers of TND, particularly those who have
had academic training in particular aspects of Nepal and have written
about and thought about seriously, to participate in the coversation as
guides, as moderators, as educators, encouraging and directing the
conversations if you get time and if you feel it was not adequately
covered and needed input from somebody like you. Of course, TND's
commitment to complete freedom of expression and the chance of having to
engage in one-on-one conversation may discourage such a move--after all,
TND is not a peer reviewed organ nor is it financially remunerative--but
it'd be a precious contribution to Nepal. And I sincerely hope that such
a participation would occur.
The End
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 06:03:33 +1000 (GST)
From: JHlawrence <jhl@guam.net>
To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: lets move on
Editor TND:
Let us move on to other issues. I for would prefer to let the Nepal/India
merging with India/Nepal debate continue at another forum. Thanks.
Bart
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From: "Eknath Belbase" <eknath@ad-co.com>
To: <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: EDITORIAL POLICY-suggestion
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:30:35 -0400
Dear Editors:
--------------
As a third alternative to either ending the current India/Nepal/Economic
Union
debate or continuing it (encouraging uninterested parties to scroll a lot) I
have a
SUGGESTION. How about if, for the next 2-3 weeks, you bring out separate
issues
of TND, issues focusing exclusively on these topics and issues on everything
else.
Uninterested people could just delete the whole issue. Contributors can
route their
messages by appropriate subject headers. I hope this is practical given
whatever
method you use to create TND.
To All Writers:
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On the topic of getting tired of this debate I have a few opinions of my own
to express-
I'm not tired of the topic, but there are certain recurring *techniques* of
debate which
are making me tend towards blanket deletion rather than reading on. First,
the messages
which simply go "be patriotic, how can you consider such a thing?" or "how
can you
have the name Nepal and write this or that" and the movement towards ad
hominum
slings, aspersions on peoples education, intellect and so on - I think we
would all enjoy the
debate more if these were left out. Secondly, lately the debates have had a
certain
armchair-detective (sub: economist) character where extremely grand,
sweeping,
general statements are made with a sophisticated vocabulary but no
data/references
whatsoever, all in articles of ever-increasing length. Similarly blanket
dismissal of other's
points, again with no rebutting argument ("you are wrong because I say
so!"). If we are
going to pretend to be economists, let's atleast do a good act and have some
DATA
at hand. How about it?
[PS if anyone wants to delete all messages from a certain contributor, I
have written a
program in C where you can enter their name and all messages coming from
that
name-string will be deleted before you read TND. - just kidding :) ]
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From: "Sudhir Shrestha" <sshresth@amfam.com>
To: <Nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Nepal/India Discussion
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:02:04 -0500
Dear Editor(s):
We are sick and tired of reading the useless discussion/argument on
Nepal/India issue. Frankly, I think any article(s) that degrades Nepal and
Nepali should be edited and if necessary unpublished especially since TND
involves discussion on Nepal and Nepalis.
This discussion/argument has gone too far and as a regular reader we can no
longer digest it. Apparently, Mr. Bhagat has a completely different
perspective. We look forward to the more fruitful/informative discussion
on education, DESH BIKAS, end etc.
We are proud to be Nepalis. Thank you!
Namaste,
-Sudhir and Julee Shrestha
-Sudha and Raju Shrestha
-Padam K.C.
-Roshan Tandukar
Milwaukee, WI
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:33:32 -0400
From: Umesh Giri <ugiri@uswest.com>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: RE: Mediation and The Free Press
Dear editor,
I'm a regular reader of The Nepal Digest. I strongly feel that
Nepal/India issue should be terminated from our Nepal's forum. Please do
not waste your limited space by publishing such unhealthy and
unproductive issues raised by self-claimed handful of Nepalese???
Thank you!
Umesh Giri
Denver, CO
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 19:49:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: aiko <gs07aaj@panther.Gsu.EDU>
To: The Nepal Digest <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - August 12, 1998 (17 Shrawan 2055 BkSm)
I have been following the thread of discussion re whether or not Nepal
should link up with India with interest, and have been encouraged by the
amount of pride Nepalis feel in being from Nepal, and the emphatic way
most have declared NO! Nirmal Ghimire voiced his opinion quite well in
pointing out the reasons why it would be foolhardy to have Nepal absorbed
by India. As he wrote, there is certainly no guarantee that Nepal would
be any better off economically should India do what it did to Sikkim.
And, as many besides him have already mentioned, why would anyone want to
sell their own country anyway? Such thoughts smack of treason, surely!
Rather than solve their own problems, those Nepalis who advocate such an
ungodly alliance seem to think it easier to just let India take over.
Well, there is a price to pay for such economic and political laziness! I
come from Korea which was colonized -- off and on -- by Japan for 500
years, and shortly before and during World War II, Japan forced as many
Korean households as it could, to speak, think, and act Japanese. Because
of the poor Korean economy, many Koreans(those who had not been taken off
as slaves)migrated to Japan to make better living, but ended up in the
"ghettoes", doing the dirty jobs, forbidden Japanese citizenship and the
rights that go with citizenship. While my own family was educated,
we,too, migrated to Japan for a better life and as a result, I was robbed
of knowing my mother tongue and culture. Speaking only Japanese, growing
up in Japan, I feel more affinity to Japan than Korea, and sometimes it
makes me sad esp. when around Korean friends. No, I think Nepal needs to
stay independent. It is its own nation in its own right. The varied
ethnic groups that comprise much of Nepal would be further marginalized.
It is unfortunate that the Nepali government does not pay much attention
to their needs, but at least they would remain free Nepali. The track
record of the Indian governemnt with regard to its own ethnic/tribal
groups is not exactly great. Why would it treat Nepali ethnic/tribals any
better? From the little research I did as an Anthropology student, many of
the tribal groups tend to be a bit more egalitarian towards their women
than those of HIndu background; that is, those of the Tibeto-Burmese
groups give more elevated status to their women who seem to have more
economic power than those of Hindu(Aryan)groups. But those of the
Tibeto-Burmese groups that have migrated to the Terai region for economic
reasons have taken on the culture and attitude of its Hindu neighbors, and
the women have lost what little status they had. On that level, the women
would REALLY lose -- not that women have that much empowerment within any
ethnic group.
To the Nepali person in New Zealand who did not want TND to post anymore
on the on-going debate on to join India or not: I understand your
dissatisfaction at the way some of the ways the responses have been
worded with regard to this debate. It is unfortunate that some cannot
seem to disagree without being unpleasant. I am member of several
listgroups, and it always amazes me at the degree of meanness some people
display when they wish to voice their disagreement. the annonymity of the
internet gives some a boldness they otherwise would not display in person,
and some seem to take it to mean it's okay to be rude, crude and
insulting. However, at the same time, I don't think any of us should
stifle the different opinions of people no matter how crudely they voice
them. We cannot expect everyone to agree, and while I hope that everyone
would observe the rules of good conduct and write like mature adults, we
cannot expect much of that either -- given the vast and varied
personalities that come through via TND. Censorship would not be the
answer. I hope that you will read the posts that are written with some
measure of pleasantness, and just skip over the more
unintelligible/unintelligent ones. That's what I do. good luck!
In regard to Paramendra-san's (*sorry, i did not catch your last name; so
I added the japanese-style polite form of address, "san") comments on
"Meow Nepal's" commentary: could it be the "Meows" were being
tongue-in-cheek? I took it to mean that way; that they were being a bit
sarcastic? Meows: how about it? Thanks a lot!
Aiko Joshi
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 01:10:12 +0000
From: Subarna Pradhan <spradhan@pol.net>
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Start new TND
Dear editor,
Thanks for your intervention regarding NEPAL-INDIA discussions. Recently
there are lot of flamings rather than constructive discussions or
criticism. In your list of posting there is no subheading for flaming.
So my suggestion is either delete those nonsense or start a diferent TND
where ther are some civility along with constructive criticism and
discussions. As you wrote the free press does not mean the right to say
or write what ever one wants but also to (to quote you) "solemnly swear
to uphold and practice the REALITY of responsible free press"
Thank you.
Subarna Pradhan
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:03:16 +0200
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Re: The Nepal Digest - August 12, 1998 (17 Shrawan 2055 BkSm)
From: 320049391996-0001@t-online.de (Namitakthuene)
Letter to the Editor,
(please edit it if you seem fit)
Dear Editor,
I have a question for you. It might not be a profound one but it is something
that is bothering me. What is the wisdom behind publishing Mr. Ashutosh Tiwari
and Mr. Pramod Mishra's squabble in the internet? Could you please ask them to
carry on their "dialouge" through their own personal e-mail. Do these two
honourable poeple think the readers are benefitting from their highly personal
so called debate? For, I don't think this on-going "dialogue" has any value to
me when they try to tell each other what one should do and how one should think
and what one should read. It has gone too far from the central issue.
Thank you very much,
Sincerely,
Namita Kiran Thuene
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:44:43 -0400
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
From: Madhusudan Bhattarai <mbhatta@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Letter to TND editor about the recently on going debates
Dear Editor,
Recently, there has been much written and argued in TND about issues like,
Madishe-Pahadi, INDIA and NEPAL merging, and economic pact, and few weeks
earlier also about the religion issues of Hindu and Christianity, some of
the few in the list. It seems, these regular authors, or so called
columnists, are forgetting the "code of ethics" and "norms" of writing in
the public forum. In fact, these so called "intellectuals" are abusing the
opportunity of "free press" policies adopted by the TND.
Most of these recently posted discussions are subjective type of
arguments, and mostly expression of their frustrations. There is no end for
this kind of arguments. I believe that continuation of such arguments only
brings hate and mistrust among we Nepali living abroad and also back in the
country. Because of these postings, the quality of TND as such has also
recently been deteriorated enough, which can also be sensed from the
contents of most of the letters to the editor in some of the recent issues
of TND.
Besides, I would also like to request the TND editorial board to
establish, at least, few "norms", or "code of ethics" which each
columnist, or so called "regular writer" of TND has to follow publishing
any posting and material in the TND. Let also post these "code of ethics"
on every issue of TND (at least, for the coming 20-25 issues) so that these
so called "neo intellectuals" would be reminded while writing or arguing
their views in TND in the coming days.
It is also not wise to forward 80 k.bytes message twice a week, entirely
covered by one or two persons' frustrations. If one is so much interested
publishing his or her frustrations, then there are also several other
places for that, why we should be forced to read all that kind of
frustrations and junk messages. Before writing this, I called about 10-12
persons in different places in the USA, and got same kind of conclusion
from each one them about the recent on going arguments and debates in TND.
These arguments are not to the minimum standard of debate. Of course, one
can also argue, what is the minimum standard for that?. The minimum
standard as such also depends upon person to person, one's intellectual
ability, vision and wisdom.
Moreover, we are now getting two issues of TND per week, but all with same
junk type of reading materials, full of few persons' frustrations and
bankrupt ideas. May be this is due to "summer break" here, so that these
Peoples- SOME OF THE FORTUNATE ABROAD EDUCATED NEPALI, have got more
leisure time now to create more imaginary problems and hypothetical crisis
about Nepal. It seems, already existing problems and political chaos back
in Nepal are now inadequate, therefore, the parliamentarians, decision
makers, and intellectuals in Kathmandu have to furthermore, engage in
debating on these "issues" and hypothetical crises and problems raised by
the so called ABROAD EDUCATED NEPALI INTELLECTUALS. What a fate of the
country? or what, insult of the education as such?
Most of the recent postings on these above controversial issues only looks
like the expressions of these peoples' own frustrations and hypothetical
crises such INTELLECTUALS; most of these raised issues are far away from
the present realities, problems, opportunities, and constraints back in
Nepal. By reading these postings and arguments, it seems some of these so
called intellectuals are only trying to self-justify his or her interest of
staying in this part of the world by looking every thing back in home in
the negative way. These raised issues are not only the reality of Nepal. If
the whole purpose of these arguments, or creating hypothetical crises, are
the reflection of such self justifying mentality of immigration to this
part of the world, or migration from Nepal, then this is a different case.
By reading these recent arguments in the TND, I remember one of the
CHANAKYA's quotation, written more than 3000 years ago in BAISHALI
CIVILIZATION, India, " ALL INTELLECTUALS, TRADERS AND .........ARE SAME,
AND THEY HAVE NEITHER RELIGION NOR COUNTRY". One thing, we should not make
TND only a place to vomiting our frustrations of living outside the country.
Madhusudan Bhattarai
Clemson University, SC, USA
864-656-7144
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From: PRAKASH@hbl.mos.com.np (PRAKASH BHANDARI)
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 17:15:04
Subject: INDO-NEPAL STUFF
Dear Editor,
I think that the Indo-Nepal stuff has crossed its frontier. So I
suggest to start new topic of discussion like "Human Rights","equal
rights to women", " pollution and environmental degradation" and so
on. While discussing about these topics, we may find out the key
solution of the problems existing all over the world obviously giving
high emphasizes to Nepalese context.
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Date: 19 Aug 98 04:26:12 EDT
From: mkarki@idrc.ca
Subject: Mediation and Free Press
To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu
Dear Editor:
I have been reading the recent discussions on Nepal/India nexus in the TND
columns. While I am all for freedom of expression, I find some of the
outbursts, specially the initial one which attracted the responses that
followed to be childish, biased and unethical. The crux of the issue is how
can you discuss to eliminate a country (Nepal) in a forum (TND) whose very
existence is based on this entity i.e Nepal. I for one feel that Mr. P.
Bhagat's outbursts which I think are based on his isolated personal
experience during his school days should not be the basis to debate
whether Nepal should join India or vise versa. I went to school in Gaur and
I was called Pahadiya, topi and so forth by my compatriots. But I hold no
grudge against a particular community based on my school experience. The
irony and futility of these discussions is that, as far as I know, no
Indian citizen has proposed to unite Nepal under India. I feel that the
question does not arise as India does not want to annex Nepal. They already
have problems with likes of Bihar and what have you and more importantly
international community (read China and US) will not let it happen. I do
not understand why so called Nepali citizens are proposing to give away
their country to India on a platter. I think the proposal is coming from
people who are suffering from identity crisis. What do you call the likes
of Gajendra and Hridesh who did nothing for their community while they were
in power but are planning to burn the constitution when they are out of it.
They made millions through corrupt meansby occupying ministrial positions
in a country which they are now planning to destroy. The persons who is
promoting Nepal's integration with India probably will not be welcome in
India if they genuinely applied for formal immigration. So who cares a two
hoot if the people like them propose to unite Nepal under India.
Please stop this senseless debate in TND. We should be discussing the
issues which make or break Nepal's image abroad. For example, the democracy
in Nepal is collapsing, environmental deterioration has accelerated and
poverty and impoverishment is everywhere. Let's put these topics and spend
our time and mind on these more intellectually rewarding topics.
cheers,
Madhav
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:16:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ashutosh Tiwari <tiwari@fas.harvard.edu>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Do NOT terminate Nepal/India, Racism etc discussion
Editor writes:
>As much as editors HATE to intervene, and in many situation
>s/he DARE NOT :), by the request of the larger audiences
>and readers, s/he may have to. Is this that time of RARE occasion?
>I ask and seek your advice.
No, not at all. Let free press be ABSOLUTELY free press. Let TND
be as free as it can. No exceptions. No excuses.
Let any TND discussion -- whether it be on India/Nepal, racism or on
anything else under the related-to-Nepal sun, run its own natural
course (with ideas and criticisms), without the need for any
editorial scissors.
Those who want to read such discussion will do so. Those who want to
participate in such discussion will do so too. And those who do not
want to read and/or participate will not do so. It's really that
simple. Everybody has the right to NOT read stuff they find
uninteresting, and that right is best exercised on a personal
level in the privacy of one's TND-reading time.
So, let there all kinds of ideas -- no matter how stupid or
brilliant -- come to the fore, and debated and discussed by all
those who are interested. This interplay of free and frank
ideas, hitherto unknown to any consumer of Nepali media, is what
makes TND TND. And it's the readers' contributions too that
make TND TND. Let these unique aspects of TND not be lost
due to some purported readers' complaints.
As a reader, I would rather receive TND that, on occasions,
challenges my assumptions, attacks my long-held beliefs,
shatters my ideas, confronts my thinking, and makes me
to be in awe of or be amused by the sheer brilliance
or crass stupidity of my fellow-Nepalis from all around
the world,
THAN the one that would presumably come "filtered and sanitized",
and which would teach me nothing new about Nepal that's worth
caring/fighting and discussing about.
oohi
ashu
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 07:21:38 +0530
From: "F. A. H. ('Hutch') Dalrymple" <hutch@wlink.com.np>
To: editor Contributions <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: India and Nepal...
I have to chuckle at this rather 'heated' debate going on whether Nepal
should consider itself 'India.'
I'm afraid it's a 'moot' point since it's already happened... a fait
accompli.
There are many ways to combine cultures... And India has it done it the
intelligent way (without Nepal hardly knowing). Not, like the Chinese
did in Tibet.
Wake up! Nepal... It's almost too late, as it stands (or falls)!
India, sending all it's people to live in Nepal, is in the process of
'absorbing' Nepal... Soon, you will hardly notice the difference between
Kathmandu and Dehli...
Namaste!
hutch@
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:36:08 -0500 (EST)
From: BIPULENDU NARAYAN SINGH <singhb@wabash.edu>
Subject: nepal is a hindu country - reply
To: Nepal@cs.niu.edu
I said Nepal is a Hindu country. And I stand by that again. Not you,
not me and not certainly the few words in the constitution saying
"Nepal is a secular country" is ever going to change that. But I make
a distinction between Hindu as you understood me to use it and the
way I actually meant to be.
When I say Nepal is a Hindu country I meant it in the broader sense
of the word. I mean it as a term that is strongly linked with the
land - as a concept that signifies a way of life in pursuit of truth.
After all is it not what it is supposed to be. If my knowledge of
history serves me right was not the term hindu first coined by other
civiliasations to refer to people that lived across the Sindhu
river. So how can any body living in Nepal not be a hindu ? They
might follow different paths ( Budhism, Christianity, Islam,
materialists, Tantriks, Saivites, Hare Krishna's), but how can they
say that they are not inhabitants of this land. In my opinion thus,
all Nepalese (and indians for that matter) are Hindu's first and then
only something else. How can they say that loyalty to the land
(which goes back thousands of years) is greater than their loyalty to
a faith they picked up only a few centuries ago. ( which many of them
did not really pick on individual will but were coerced (through
money and power) by people who think that only their
religion has monopoly over the truth)
Hinduism (as a way of life) always had place for
everyone (believer as well as non believers). It has allowed
seemingly opposing views and faiths( like the materialistic Carvaka,
the sexual Tantrik, the conventional Vedic, and Budhist philosophies)
to flourish within its bounds. It is in doing this that it has become
a truly secular "religion"(way of life) and it is in being a Hindu
Nation that Nepal has become a "truly secular" (not pseudo secular
like other countries) nation.
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 98 11:43:14 EST
From: "Paramendra Bhagat" <Paramendra_Bhagat@smtpgtwy.berea.edu>
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: People's Review's continued bias against the Sadbhavana
I wrote a protest letter in the last TND issue protesting against the People's
Review's equating the Teraiwasis as Indians. Their blatant bias continues as
evidenced in this recent article.
http://www.info-nepal.com/p-review/1998/08/130898/sadbhavana.html
Thursday, August 13-August 20, 1998
Sadbhavana prepares poll strategy
BY OUR POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
According to discerning analysts, the Terai-based Nepal Sadbhavana Party --
whose strength in parliament was slashed from a puny six following the 1991
general election to a laughable three after the 1994 polls -- has clearly been
emboldened by the lucky break it received when it became a coalition partner in
three successive governments preceding the present minority government of Prime
Minister Girija Prasad Koirala.
(The governments were those headed respectively by Sher Bahadur Deuba (NC/RPP/
NSP); Lokendra Bahadur Chand (RPP/UML/NSP); and Surya Bahadur Thapa (RPP/NC/
NSP).)
The NSP which is widely perceived as "Indian" in outlook and character, it may
also be recalled, was able to safeguard its "national party" status by polling a
fraction of one percent above the minimum of 6 percent of all votes polled.
Despite those hard political facts, the NSP, following a two-day party conclave
in Birgunj, July 24-25, recently came out with a press statement proclaiming
that its main adversary is the Nepali Congress, now the leading party in
parliament, which, it claims, is apprehensive of the NSP's "growing influence"
in the Terai and is therefore determined to "quash" their party.
That bombastic claim, observers feel, is nothing more than a promotional or
morale-boosting gimmick for a party that is preparing for the next general
election after which it hopes to improve its current insignificant parliamentary
strength.
For the very same purpose, it has concluded that the means to project itself is
to call for an amendment of the Constitution on the citizenship issue. As
explained by NSP MP Hridesh Tripathy at a recent Kathmandu press conference, his
party would be focussing on two other issues in the near future.
Those are: a call for a reservation system for the "backward class" and for a
change in the national polity to a federal system of government.
To gain propaganda mileage on such a divisive platform, as far as national
integrity goes, the NSP party chief, Gajendra Narayan Singh, announced would on
August 17 present a 30-day "ultimatum" to all district administration offices in
the kingdom.
Following that, if there was no "positive response" from HMG, it would begin a
five-day hunger strike in all district headquarters from September 16.
Thereafter, it intends to launch a 9-day hunger strike in front of the national
secretariat in Kathmandu from November 1. If those pressure tactics don't
succeed in obtaining expected results the NSP would on November 9 -- that is, on
the anniversary of the promulgation of the basic law of the land -- burn the
Constitution.
Clearly, the NSP has its eyes on the forthcoming elections, which is now
generally expected only in Spring next year. Given the dismal state of the party
itself -- and its widely perceived image as a party more loyal to India than to
Nepal -- it has in the post-Pokhran II era decided to move on an openly
confrontationist political track.
How the Nepali Congress and the other parties that were so eager to share their
beds with the NSP not too long ago tackle this threat remains to be seen. What
also remains to be established convincingly is whether the NSP electoral
strategy has been conceived through extraneous inspiration.
One thing is clear, though, say political observers: if more Indians are granted
citizenship rights, not only will the NSP sweep the elections, specially in the
Terai, but it would well mark the beginning of the end of this country's
separate identity, sovereignty and independence.
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From: "Lomash Regmi" <lomash@hotmail.com>
To: nepal-request@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Shame on all of us
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 09:17:18 CDT
Dear editor,
Shame on all of us for even having to think such a thing.
As a Nepali I feel that it is our biggest misfortune that we are even
discussing whether we should join a different country. Have we
completely ran out of any ideas and resources that we have to give up
our status as a sovereign nation in order to make our lives livable?
The first thing we should do is get rid of all those power and wealth
hungry shahs and ranas and their chamchas (bhrasta panches) who have
been bagging the majority of our country's wealth for the past one
hundred and fifty years. We should start with the maharaja himself, the
richest man in the whole Nepal who doesn't have slightest interest in
our well being. If he had wanted and tried, and if he was a good person,
as rajas are believed to be, from their birth, (ha! what a bunch of
crap) we would have been much better off than our present situation.
It is of little use to discuss about who is pahade and who is madhise
when the real villeins in the whole game are watching people quarrel and
fight among each other from their new buildings and with their fat bank
accounts. Has anybody wondered why the likes of Mr. marich man singh and
Mr. surya bahadur thapa wore the same pradhanmantri's pagari before and
after at least five hundred people died in the jana andolan? A lot of
people made it out of the country with a huge chunk of nepal's treasures
and nobody said or did anything. Everybody knew Dhirendra was a murti
chor, but he made it out of nepal with all his swiss bank account
intact. Now his sons are terrorizing nepali girls just like their father
did some 20 years ago. And there is nobody to even try to stop them. How
long will this continue? Not for long if I had my way.
The sole reason we hindus, or all nepalis for that matter, regarded
(please note my past tense) raja as bishnu's avatar was because of our
faith on him that he would have good intentions towards us and our
country. Who needs a freaking king when he is only interested in
amassing wealth for himself and letting all his relatives suck the
country dry and make everybody's lives miserable?
So this is the time for all the educated and open minded souls to set
aside our skin color differences and rise up against the main cause of
our ill-being. For it is not the pahade, eking a living out of a strip
of land in darchula, (even if he is bahun or chettri and has all the 7
characteristics of an indophobic pahade as suggested by someone) that is
our problem. As I said earlier, our problem is the political elites in
rajdhani whose sole purpose in life is to rob as much money from us as
possible. We need to get rid of them, and fast, as they don't deserve to
be there.
Jay nepal.
Lomash Regmi
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Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:00:51 +0200
From: Dominik Mayr <mayr@kwb.tu-graz.ac.at>
To: nepal-request@cs.niu.edu
Subject: sediment data
Dear sirs!
For my studies I am searching for observed bedload and suspended
sediment data of himalayan rivers and brooks.
I would be glad if anyone could help me
Thanks in advance!
Dominik Mayr
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 14:09:35 EST
From: "Paramendra Bhagat" <Paramendra_Bhagat@smtpgtwy.berea.edu>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Racism : From the Nepalese to the Global Context(II)
Racism : From the Nepalese to the Global Context(II)
compiled and edited by Paramendra Bhagat
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http://www.antiracist.com/events/lawhate.html
Fighting racism takes a concerted effort which must be directed by an accurate
understanding of the nature of the problem. The importance of forums to share
information and to discuss how to fight the right cannot be over emphasized:
Discussions about the ideology on the far right, their nature, social
composition and ideology are essential.
-the Klan in the early 1980s was trying to tell the people of British
Columbia that all people of colour should leave North America and that all the
aboriginal people should be placed in the far North.
-developing the policies and programs, and to further develop the role of
education that will increase the acceptance of cultural diversity and the
benefits which derive from that acceptance
-the issues of human rights, hate crimes and discrimination are complex and
that solutions are not easily found. If we were to deal with it just within our
own families the solutions would be very easy. We would just demand that hate
stop.
-Most of all we are going to have to change attitudes.
-Multiculturalism is not a program to promote differences. It is a policy of
acceptance and of planned action for the eventual appreciation of cultural
differences.
-how people get caught up in racist dogma and how they are not able to think
any other way about people
-organized racism: Who is responsible for spreading hate propaganda? What
are the connections between individuals and groups locally, nationally and
internationally? What kind of situations arise in which people take the
opportunity and take the advantage of people's fear, and people's xenophobia?
-the link between foreign governments and extremist organizations.
-white supremacist and anti-Semitic groups
-the Aryan Nations, which we all know is one of the more dangerous anti-
Semitic organizations on the continent
-neo-Nazi skinheads
-Holocaust deniers
-the Libyans were funding neo-Nazis and ultra-leftists groups.
-a "Socialist" government would be playing footsie with the Canadian far
right. .............Canada, specifically Edmonton and Ottawa, had become centres
for Libyan espionage since about 1986.
-also funding groups at the opposite end of the ideological spectrum such as
the American Indian Movement and the Anti-Semitic Nation of Islam.
-made connections with far right types in Alberta and with an Albertan
Cabinet Minister, known for his right wing views.
-Why was Libya and, as I later learned, Iraq, in the case of British neo-
Nazi groups, and Syria, in the case of the Silent Brotherhood in 1984 - why were
these countries funding the far right?
-Quadafi in his Green Book ...........other radical Arab leaders
-a fusion of Maoism, apartheid and neo-Nazism.
-anti-capitalist, anti-Communist and anti-Jewish
-one of the fastest growing racist ideologies in Europe at the moment
-called the Third Position
-traditional left-right considerations have been largely abandoned in the
wake of the collapse of the Soviet Union.
-The Aryan Nations conferences in Hayden Lake Idaho every July have seen
neo-Nazis come from Canada, from all over the United States and even places as
far away as South Africa.
-securing funding from Iran, Syria, and Libya.
-the Third Positionist groups worried him the most because "they are pledged
to building organizations of street-hardened young soldiers".
-the biggest white supremacist organization in Canada, the Heritage Front
-The Nationalist Party has also received direct funding from Libya.
-that a group of skinheads would be sophisticated enough to know exactly who
to write to in the Libyan power establishment
-the Libyans, Iranians, Iraqis and Syrians are making increasing in roads
into North America's racist right and they are using the Third Position
philosophy as a passkey.
-the leaders of the racist right here in the U.S. and in Europe have been
forging links with foreign governments who share some of their views
-describe the white supremacist movement which is not the same as to
describe racism. Racism is a much bigger problem than just the white supremacist
movement. The United States was founded as a racist country and it permeates all
the institutions and structures so I cannot discuss it in its entirety.
-One of the preconceptions that we have is that essentially we are dealing
with a bunch of small-minded bigots who do not know how to organize and are
mostly incendiary; that is, if we could lock them up in mental institutions, we
would have taken care of what is really just a marginal problem on the criminal
gutter side of our society.
-if you took a demographic slice of white U.S. life, you would find that it
mirrors pretty accurately a demographic slice of the white supremacist movement
in the United States. In other words, for the blue collar folks there is a
particular type of organization, for the middle class professionals, there is a
particular type of organization, for the intellectuals and for the lawyers and
for the chiropractors, there is a particular type of organization.
-We tend to think about the white supremacist movement as congruent to the
Ku Klux Klan. In the United States over the last dozen years the Klan has
declined in size. It is roughly half the size it was before, but the white
supremacist movement has grown.
-Even those Klan organizations that exist today have developed an
alternative strategy to that of the late 1970s and early 1980s when their
strategy was to be very public, to get on T.V. and to stage public cross-
burnings. They are today a much more secretive organization. The Klan now refers
to itself as the Fifth Era Klan - an attempt to return to the secrecy and
clandestine type of organization it was in the 1870's when they smashed the
Reconstruction Movement in the southern United States. The Klan today is highly
secretive, relatively small and mostly consists of blue collar workers. There is
no single Klan organization. There are approximately two dozen Klan factions in
the US and many of them have partner organizations in Canada.
-the neo-Nazis. Those are the groups that are the open imitators of Hitler
and open advocates of National Socialism. Although they are relatively small,
their influence has grown within the white supremacist movement. Neo-Nazi
ideology has infected both the Klan and other sections of the white supremacist
movement
-The Nazi ideology came to be viewed as more `revolutionary' to those in
white supremacist organizations wanting to increase membership. Furthermore,
they gave a certain political sophistication to the rest of the movement.
-Nazi organizations have continued to grow in the United States and
internationally. They have grown large and spontaneously in the U.S.
Particularly Nazi skinhead organizations.
-the skinhead movement is that they are young and most of them are neo-Nazi
in their organization. There are Nazi skinhead organizations in every major
metropolitan area of the United States. Increasingly, what we have is a
situation where people that first came into the movement in the period between
1986-1987 are now assuming leadership roles. They are now in the process of
being recruited into the older adult organizations. This is a different kind of
organizing phenomenon than that of Klan youth recruitment in the 1970's and the
early 1980's in which the adults organized the kids. The older group went out
and they set up the Klan and then brought the kids in. Now it is 20 to 27 year
olds recruiting and organizing younger kids. These 20-27 year olds, in turn, are
being supported financially and politically by older more established Nazis' in
business suits with international connections. In Germany the National Socialist
German Workers' Party (NSDAP AO) is also organizing youth into their racist
movement. This is not just a United States, Canada, Germany and France problem
this is an international phenomena.
-organized racism
-Mullins has worked with David Duke of the Ku Klux Klan and James Warner of
the American Nazi Party. Mullins promotes the idea of an international Jewish
conspiracy.
-maintains that the Jews are behind virtually every historic massacre.
-a book called "Last Battle Cry" by Identity pastor Jarah Crawford of
Vermont, which is a 600 page diatribe advocating the genocide of all Jews and
homosexuals and the forceful subjugation of people of colour.
-a copy of the "Protocols of World Conquest" was distributed. This anti-
Semitic pamphlet pretends to be a secret letter to all Jews on how to demoralize
the white race and take over the world
-recorded messages demanding white supremacy and denying the Holocaust
-demanding an end to non-white immigration and which refers to people of
colour as "dark and sullen mongrels"
-the use of armed violence against black people and also the creation of a
whites-only ethnostate
-Saunders has written letters that state that the death of a Jewish scholar
- Bernard Vigod - in an automobile accident was the will of God and happily
crowed that "there was Jew juice all over the tarmac."
-an international network of lawyers providing legal assistance to the
various Klan and neo-Nazi groups. What you might not know is that there is an
international organization of neo-Nazi lawyers called CAUSE headquartered in
Nashville, North Carolina and lead by Kirk Lyons and Sam Dixon. CAUSE stands
for Canada, Australia, United States, South Africa and Europe. What CAUSE is
attempting to build is a neo-Nazi organization among lawyers across
international lines and is primarily concerned with free speech defence and
Holocaust denial.
-a growing fascist movement
-the position of the law enforcement agencies dealing with organized white
supremacist violence and then the position of the Justice Department in dealing
with hate propaganda
-shooting and other violent incidents by organized hate groups. But what we
often see in government is denial that there is a problem.
-the Invisible Knights of the Ku Klux Klan
-the Grand Dragons of two different factions of the Invisible Empire
-there is a lack of cohesive and co-ordinated effort in addressing hate
propaganda in Canada
-the Klan, which has chapters in all provinces
-What is going on in Germany is quite specific, but it is also the same as
what is going on in the States. There is the same recipe; there are some really
good players here in this country. By the mere fact that most people think that
these individuals are just a bunch of lunatic whackos allows them to freely
organize
-Every time I go to local schools, administrators tell me, "I don't have any
racism in my school". But that is not the message I get from the students or
sometimes even from the teachers. However, for the School Boards and the
administration, there isn't any racism. And what they do not understand is that
by denying the existence of racism in the school system, or by trying to put it
aside thinking that it will go away, is that they are giving an open field to
racists who are attempting to organize the younger generation. That is what we
have to be concerned about the far right recruiting and training future leaders
for what they believe will be a "racial war."
-white supremacists represent all socio-economic classes
-we cannot look at white supremacists as merely representing fringe elements
-these individuals are very well connected and belong to highly structured
organizations with national and international networks
-It cannot be assumed that John Ball is an isolated individual acting alone.
Although he is no longer attempting to run for a mainstream party, we have to
ask ourselves, "How was John Ball able to come up through the political
structure in Canada almost invisibly?". We must also realize that he is somebody
that can bring in money. ................the various aspects and socio-economic
backgrounds of these well connected individuals and groups.
-there isn't enough research being done
-organized hate groups represent an embryonic movement which is not yet
fully developed. It is very unevenly developed between different countries and
across locations within countries
-In the U.S. the first significant breakthrough that white supremacist
groups made was in the Mid-west farm belt................ in communities which
were and remain, economically distressed
-They used shared Christian beliefs and hard economic times to reach people
that otherwise would not ordinarily be attracted to their movement. They were
able to recruit otherwise stable members of the community rather than just
transients and lunatics that often populate these groups
-Duke received over 50% of the vote each time he ran on a state-wide basis.
-support for Duke was the lowest in the under $15,000 and the over $75,000
income groups. Another surprising finding was that education was not a strong a
correlate for predicting support for Duke: It appears that it did not matter
whether voters had a university degree or a high school diploma in terms of
support. Income appears to be the strongest indicator for support. The highest
level of support was from the $30-50,000 per year group. This is a comfortable
middle class standard of living and Duke was able to pull in between 62 and 64%
in both elections from this group. He was able to do quite well among the
supposed stable well educated middle and upper-middle class electorate. Another
important finding was that Duke's level of support was twice as high among young
white males under 25 than it was in the white population as a whole and it was
worse among white women. These findings closely correspond to the demographics
of the Republikerner vote in the West Berlin City Parliament in 1990. The first
time the far right took seats there the main base of support came from young
white male voters under 25. As you can see, the problem of far-right candidates
running for government is not unique to Canada or the United States. It is an
international phenomena, and so is the rise of hate crimes. Since the beginning
of this year there have been around 2,000 hate crimes reported in Germany. The
popular conception is that these crimes have all occurred among Eastern German
unemployed youth. However, there are studies that show that over 75% of the
people who were arrested had jobs. It is not the unemployed lumpen-proletariat
committing these crimes. Of the almost 2,000 hate crimes reported to the German
government, 714 occurred in the East compared to 1,124 in the Western districts
according to an article in the New York Times, November 27, 1992. Reports in the
press both in Germany and Internationally tend to analyze the incidents of hate
crimes in terms of the high unemployment rates in the East. As a result, we tend
to take these reports uncritically and think of hate crimes in Germany as
economically motivated crime rather than a politically motivated phenomenon
where German Nationalism is the driving force. Although we can argue that the
mechanisms for recording and reporting hate crimes may be more reliable in West
Germany and that East Germans now living in West Germany may be committing the
bulk of the crimes, it appears that the situation in West Germany is also bad.
According to media reports, the situation in West Germany has been bad for some
time. It is important, therefore, to investigate to what extent nationalism, or
a combination of nationalism and ethnic issues, rise to the fore as a defining
political feature not just in Germany, but also in Canadian society
-avoiding conjecture such as the uncritical assumption that unemployment
necessarily results in a decrease in tolerance. One of the things that is
happening in the world today, is a loss of hope among large segments of the
population and a sort of looking backward to an ideal golden age, resulting in a
climate where people are susceptible to the myth of ethnicity, and ethnic
purity, that has been chosen by far-right groups as a focus for organizing and
as a way of resolving socio-economic and political crisis. This has become the
ideological rallying point of ultra-right nationalists
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Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:10:31 -0400
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
From: hdirlam@madison.main.nc.us (hilary dirlam)
Subject: The (seemingly) endless debate
Dear Sir,
Why not publish one article per issue on the India/Nepal debate? This
would take up less space yet continue the discussion which many are finding
so interesting. You could publish in the order recieved (starting with the
backlog you undoubtedly have already). This would slow down people's
responses and the whole discussion would become (one hopes) more
thoughtful. Or maybe it would die out, as people could not jump on the
bandwagon so quickly (part of the fun, i suspect.)
Hilary dirlam
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Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:49:28 -0400 (EDT)
Forwarded by: Ashutosh Tiwari <tiwari@fas.harvard.edu>
To: nepal@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Re: Book review (fwd)
BOOK: The Snake Charmer
Author: Sanjay Nigam
Publisher: William Morrow, New York, 1998
Charmed To Death
Reviewed by Samrat Upadhyay
In Sanjay Nigam's The Snake Charmer, the main character Sonalal asks a
doctor, "What's the matter with me, doctor sahib? What?" And Dr. Basu,
looking Sonalal straight in the eye, tells him, "It's called guilt."
Around this central concept of a man's guilt and his search for redemption,
Nigam concocts a novel that perhaps should have remained the short story
(published in the magazine Grand Street) from which it grew. In short, the
novel is too long for what it does.
That's saying a lot about a work of a "mere" 223 pages, especially when
compared to the mountainous books Indian authors are capable of producing,
such as Seth's A Suitable Boy, Chandra's Red Earth and Pouring Rain, and
Mistry's A Fine Balance. The main problem is that Nigam fails to create a
character compelling enough so that we can joyfully participate in his
physical and psychological journeys. One quarter into the book, and
Sonalal appears as a whiner, and the reader is inclined to say, "Get on
with it, man! What's wrong with you?"
The novel starts with Sonalal, the best snake charmer in Delhi and possibly
India, as he bites his favorite snake Raju in two in front of foreign
journalists because the already-defanged Raju strikes him on the calf for
playing a wrong note. Sonalal's subsequent fame and fortune only add to his
intense guilt at having killed a pet he considered his eldest son.
Accompanying the guilt is the fear that Raju's mate Rani will seek him out
for revenge. Thus begins Sonalal's odyssey seeking a melee of doctors,
magicians, his favorite prostitute Reena, and at times even his wife
Sarita, who appears as the only interesting and endearing character in the
novel, primarily because she is down-to-earth and doesn't suffer
the annoying maladies with which the author relentlessly afflicts Sonalal.
The main problem with Nigam's storytelling is that he promises too much but
delivers little. In the end, we know as much about Sonalal as we did at the
beginning: that he bit his snake in two and is feeling guilty. A confused,
muddled quality marks the various stages of his journey in search of
remedies to his ailments.
The overall effect is that The Snake Charmer, while constantly driving
home the point as to how, and in what ways, Sonalal is tormented, lacks
the emotional intensity of good fiction. Sonalal's relentless fluctuation
between hope and despair provides the novel several bizarre instances of
denouement, each time making it seem as if Sonalal's understanding of his
situation has gone to a higher level. Unfortunately, this turns out to be
illusory, and once more we are mired in Sonalal's thoughts, listening to
the same weeping, whining, whimpering voice, ad infinitum.
There are other ways in which The Snake Charmer doesn't deliver what it
promises in the first several pages. Sonalal's relationship with Reena the
prostitute is intriguing, but why Reena loves and understands him more than
others do remains a bit of a mystery, especially given that she is a
prostitute.
Nigam never fully shows what about Sonalal she finds charming enough that
she's willing to go with him to Udaipur to spend a week--at her expense.
Also, her abrupt, congenial break-up with him at the end of the vacation
comes across a heavy-handed authorial device to compound Sonalal's misery.
Moreover, it is odd that while Sonalal feels a larger-than-life guilt over
his murder of Raju, he shows no remorse at leaving his wife and children
at home and gallivanting to Udaipur with his favorite prostitute.
If The Snake Charmer is indeed the journey of a man seeking moral
absolution, as it seems to be on the surface, then Nigam could have done
better by at least showing in Sonalal a modicum of love towards his wife,
who actually emerges as the true heroine of the novel, someone who is
earthly, judiciously takes care of money, and tries to knock sense into
Sonalal.
The metaphor of a snake biting its own tail recurs throughout the novel.
While explaining the structure of benzene, a chemical that "makes marvelous
aromas," Dr. Seth tells Sonalal that a scientist named Kekule dreamt that
benzene looked like a snake biting its own tail. This image gets imprinted
upon Sonalal's mind, and he also understands that the benzene smell is the
same as ether, which links the universe.
But Nigam uses the metaphor so conspicuously that it becomes a convoluted
device to hold the novel together and to perhaps show how history nearly
repeats itself in Sonalal towards the end of the story.
The Snake Charmer is an unimpressive debut by Nigam, who is a physician on
the Harvard University faculty in the USA. Roughly a quarter into the
novel, a circus master offers Sonalal a lucrative job in the circus: get
into a cage with a harmless tiger and pretend to bite it. Sarita wants him
to take the job. "I could die," Sonalal roars. "Nobly," says Sarita. One
gets the feeling that the novel, too, could have ended nobly had it
encountered an early death.
(Samrat Upadhyay is a student of creative writing).
The Development Dictionary: A Guide to Knowledge as Power.
Editor: Wolfgang Sachs.
Publisher: Orient Longman, New Delhi, 1997 (South Asian Edition)
Pramod Parajuli
This collection of articles by 17 well known critics of development
focuses on what editor Wolfgang Sachs calls the "obituary of development".
For the authors, the epoch of development that had dominated the arena of
north-south relations for the last four or five decades, has come to an
end. "The idea of development," writes, Wolfgang Sachs in the
introduction, "stands like a ruin in the intellectual landscape."
This collection heralds a unique phase in the history of development
thinking. Until recently, the critics of development were like the
legendary mice who talked about capturing the cat, subduing it and getting
rid of it, but were unable to find the one who will bell the cat. This
volume tries to catch development by its throat, announcing its demise.
Inspired by the intellectual magnetism of Ivan Illich this group of
scholars is engaged not only in the "archeaology of development ideas" but
also in the enunciation of possible alternatives to traditional
"development".
All the contributors share the premise that the other side of development
is the invention of underdevelopment. This they trace to the inaugural
address of U.S President Harry Truman on January 20, 1949. This address
sets the stage for a discursive formation comprised of the "developed" and
the "underdeveloped" worlds. On the one hand, the "developed" does not
remain in the developed region; it becomes a project, not a place.
It becomes a multi-layered enterprise claiming transparent universality.
On the other hand, after this invention of underdevelopment, two billion
people become "underdeveloped". Now two-thirds of the humanity is
relegated to a state of underdevelopment. Gustavo Esteva, captures this
paradox of how the triumph of the new order led to another colonization of
the world. On that day, two billion people became underdeveloped.
In a real sense, from that time on, they ceased being what they were, in
all their diversity, and were transmogrified into an inverted mirror of
other's reality: a mirror that belittles them and sends them off to the
end of the queue, a mirror that defines their identity, which is really
that of a heterogenous and diverse majority, simply in the terms of a
homogenizing and narrow minority (p. 7).
The issue is not merely that of who said what to whom but precisely about
the impact of this announcement on the equation of global power. By this
announcement, so called underdeveloped populations were rendered manageable
entities in a homogenizing enterprize. As Arturo Escobar has elaborated,
this manageability was expressed through the discourse of "planning."
Along with planning, other practices such as "strategizing," "monitoring,"
and "evaluating" were the mechanisms which set the milieu for intervention
by the self appointed angels of development to the rest of the world.
Probably one of the most original contributions of this volume is
demythicizing all the subsequent attempts to make development seem still
plausible by adding prefixes to it. Aptly deconstructed are concepts such
as ethnodevelopment (Esteva), participatory development (Rahnema), the
currently popular discourse of sustainable development (Sachs, Shiva) and
the innocence of the developmentalist state (Nandy).
Several of the contributors make it clear that no amount of sugarcoating
to the bitterpill of development is feasible. Development, they argue is
intrinsically anti-participatory, anti-dialogical, anti-empowering for the
so-called underdeveloped people. And they show how these so called
development alternatives share the same premises underlying the original
development discourse.
This book also questions socialist alternatives to capitalist patterns of
development. This is where they differ starkly from even the neo-Marxian
variants of social intervention such as the experiments in popular culture
inspired by Antonio Gramsci and in critical pedagogy inspired by the
Brazilian educator, Paulo Freire. Both these approaches have informed a
variety of initiatives in which development can be used as a form of
empowerment of the popular classes.
Esteva puts it succintly, "Development became the central category of
Marx's works: revealed as a historical process that unfolds with the
necessary character of natural laws. Both the Hegelian concept of history
and the Darwinist concept of evolution were interwoven in development,
reinforced with the scientific aura of Marx"(p. 9). In a similar vein,
Majid Rahnema in his contribution on "participation" has commented on the
Freirean experiment of consciousness raising in which the developmentalist
mind set of the so-called intellectual/activist is never questioned.
One of the core messages of this book is that doctrinaire socialism cannot
offer an alternative to existing capitalist order because it tends to pose
itself as a metanarrative by subordinating diversity. In one essay on
socialism, Harry Cleaver writes that "we can avoid a great deal of
conceptual and communicative difficulty by stopping using the terms
'socialism' or 'socialist development' as shorthands for what we want
(p.247).
The contributors argue that the project of development is set up in such a
way that it has already destroyed diversity in both culture and nature.
Vandana Shiva makes an apt observation that "since nature needed to be
developed by humans, people had also to be developed from their primitive
backward states of embeddedness in nature.
Nature's transformation into natural resources needed to go hand in hand
with the transformation of culturally diverse people into "skilled human
resources" (p. 207). This is how the concept of sustainable development
comes into sharpest criticism.
For both Sachs and Shiva, the idea of sustainable development as
articulated by the Brundtland Commission, is not about sustaining nature
or people's survival but development itself. As Shiva writes,
"sustainability in this context does not involve recognition of the limits
of nature and the necessity of adhering to them. Instead it simply means
ensuring the continued supply of raw materials for industrial production,
the ongoing flow of ever more commodities, the indefinite accummulation of
capital" (p. 217).
The contributors to this volume definitely want us to go through an
"epistemological break" from the developmentalist concepts, which did
invent as well as perpetuate the myth of global scarcity (as opposed to
maldistribution of resources and unequal access) and a sense of
backwardness among the majority of people living in the so called Third
World.
All this is very welcome. However, I feel a tremendous incompleteness in
the theoretical assertion of this kind when these authors are unable to
link their critiques with the emergent voices at the grassroots. Blending
of such a worthwhile critique with the voice of the voiceless would
definitely strengthen the import of this exercise.
I do not mean to imply that such deconstructionist critiques are not
needed; they are urgent. Because in many respects, people at the bottom
might not be cognizant of the importance of their day to day critical
practices or even equipped to articulate their implications to the
knowledge empire and industry. Even while shouldering the duty of a
committed intellectual to do so, it should be our own moral imperative to
link our alternative theories to the voices from the grassroots.
(Pramod Parajuli is interested in organic farming and grassroots movements.
Revised version of a review published in American Ethnologist, Aug. 1996.)
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From: "Eknath Belbase" <eknath@ad-co.com>
To: <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: some statistics and sources/Nepal, India and globalization
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:33:34 -0400
To put my money (time=money being the defining equation of our times) where
I put my mouth: Some comparitive statistics on poverty in India and Nepal.
[Source: United Nations Human Development Report, 1997, UNDP, Oxford
University Press.] dates for data are mostly either 1994 or 1995 depending
on primary source used by UNDP.
------------ India Nepal
------ -------
population not surviving to age 40: 19.4% 19.9%
without access to health services: 15% n/a* not available
" " to clean water: 19% 37%
population illiterate 48% 72% [note primary source in Nepal 5
years older]
primary school age pop not making it
to grade 5 38% 48%
GDP per capita for poorest 20% $527 $455
GDP per capita for richest 20% $2641 $1975
pop living on $1 or less/day equiv 53 % 53 %
underweight children age 5 or less 53% 49%
female pop economically active 50% 68%
female illiteracy as multiple of male 181% 146%
exports to GDP ratio 12% 25%
Export to Import ratio 80% 76%
Internal Renewable Water Resources 12 25 in 1000 m^3 per year per
capita
Unfortunately I could not obtain a Bihar to Nepal comparison to address the
emprical question that
was raised about physical infrastructure by 3 previous posts. However, an
example of the variation within Indian
states is given: HPI (Human Poverty Index) for Kerala 15% for Bihar over
50% Note that the HPI could not be
calculated for Nepal because of the missing value above (*). If someone can
find a source for that
data value, I can compute the index. The overall mean HPI for India is
around 38%.
To read about the HPI/HDI methodology, which tells you why its a hell of a
lot better to talk about poverty (development)with HPI (HDI) than straight
GDP etc. and the underlying mathematics/economics see Technical notes I and
II on pages 117-25 of the source named above or the original paper by Sudhir
Anand & Amartya Sen (in Econometrika I believe) Some understanding of
calculus and statistics is required. For a balanced overview of links
between poverty and globalization see Ch4 "Globalization - poor nations,
poor people" of the UNDP report. It has data, causal explanations and
sources galore to explore both the advantages and many pitfalls of
globalization w.r.t. underdeveloped nations (pages 82-93). This
chapter seems to *mostly* side with the undereducated student from the "best
liberal arts college in the US" on the case
of Mexico. By the way, I take offense to Middlebury being given that title.
The best one is Ohio Wesleyan University,
delaware, ohio.
Eknath
(OWU class of 1992) ;)
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Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:33:56 -0400
From: Harold J Drabkin <hdrabkin@MIT.EDU>
To: NEPAL@cs.niu.edu
Subject: Charities for Nepal
Our lab head's father recently passed away in Nepal. We would like to
make a donation to a charity in Nepal in his name, and were wondering
if you knew of any charities in the US that would channel funds to
something in Nepal (US so we wouldn't have to deal with currency
exchange matters, etc.). Thanks in advance
Dr. Harold J. Drabkin
MIT
hdrabkin@mit.edu
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From: "Bhandari, Prakash - Broomfield, CO" <Prakash.Bhandari@cexp.com>
To: "'NEPAL@MP.CS.NIU.EDU'" <NEPAL@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: Should we continue the discussion of Nepal/India
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:06:26 -0600
Dear Editor,
Why shouldn't we? I think I have learned quite a bit about Terai since
this discussion started. I think
we ought to be educated about our people and understand our country.
Just because we close our eyes
won't mean the problems will go away. I think the Terai discussion has
been the greatest accomplishments of TND. Most of the issues Mr. Bhagat
raises are legitimate issues that are important
for us as a nation. Afterall, isn't "Nepal a garden of 4 species and 36
colors"? This is a time to think about
it and understand what it means. Do we really believe it?
When Bibhuti Nepal put forth an argument why Nepal should join India, he
did put forth some reasons.
I myself thought they were not sound reasons, however, I can't really
say he doesn't have a right to put forth
his opinion. Several readers also answered why that was a bad idea. We
all learned some things from it.
My point is why are we afraid of ideas? If we don't agree with someone,
we shouldn't throw stones and
scare him/her away.
For example, when K.P. Bhattarai said to the Indian press "We don't have
the Terai people in the army for the same reason you don't have them", I
thought K. P. was very clever. Little did I realize, my countrymen were
equally offended by those comments, although from the hindsight I should
have realized it.
I reiterate again, Terai discussion has been the best discussion that
has happened to TND. It has allowed
some of us to understand the essence of being a Nepali. So, the people
who don't want to read the articles in Racism and Terai, please scroll
down. Afterall, do we want to go back to reading "Ram Looking
for Shyam's phone no" articles in the TND?
Sincerely,
Prakash Bhandari
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From: "Sitaula, Raju" <RZS@crai.com>
To: "'nepal@cs.niu.edu'" <nepal@cs.niu.edu>
Subject: some more economics
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 15:45:56 -0400
The main economic reason behind forming economic unions is to increase the
size of the market so that businesses can benefit from the economies of
scale. The argument would be that in a big unified market, different regions
within that market would develop a comparative advantage in certain goods
and produce those goods not only for that region, but also for the whole
market. Putting political and cultural factors aside, let me explain why
this economic reason will not work in the context of Nepal.
Indian industries already benefit from economics of scale and are very
competitive compared to Nepali industries. Indian businesses can easily
crush the existing businesses in Nepal. In the case of Nafta, eventhough
many Mexican businesses suffered due to competition from the US industries,
Mexican economy also benefited because many American firms relocated to
Mexico due to low labor cost there. This is not the case between India and
Nepal. There are many places in India where labor cost is less than in
Nepal. If an Indian company based in Bombay wants to sell its product in
the Nepali market prior to the economic unification, it might think about
opening a plant in Nepal to avoid tariffs. But after the economic union,
that company has a choice of any place in Nepal or India to open its plant.
It will look for a place where it can find all the infrastructure and
cheap/qualified labor. The probability of that place being in India is far
greater than it being in Nepal. One can argue that many Nepali businesses
will have access to a vast Indian market and can benefit form it. But the
point is Nepali businesses are not able to benefit from whatever piece of
Indian market they have access to even now. It is because Nepal has very
little to sell to India. Whatever Nepal produces, India produces much better
and much cheaper. The common market will only make it easier for Indian
businesses to totally dominate Nepali economy.
Some economic books would argue that even if one country produces everything
more efficiently, trade is still good because (in this case) Nepali
consumers are better off buying cheap and better quality Indian goods. This
might be true. But the arguments here has been that Indo-Nepal economic
union will bring development to the remote villages in Nepal. This will not
happen.
-Raju
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